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Post by marius on Mar 11, 2013 11:09:14 GMT 10
I believe that it's time to discuss the driving standards in our series. I haven't checked any statistic but it looks to me like we have the most accidents of all categories, mostly unnecessary. Some call it close racing, it's more like dodgem cars.
I understand some people want to win at any cost but this is driving other people away. If it keeps going like this, it will became a 6 car series.
I cannot see the point in trying to overtake a car that's 3" slower, on the inside, when you have the straight 10m away. Accidents do happen, but when they keep reoccuring, they're no longer accidents.
I am questioning my willingness to continue, I'm in this for a good time, I have nothing to prove and I definetly don't place my ambition before my talent.
Don't forget it's people like me who make the numbers.
Maybe I don't understand the term of 'amateur racing' but I'm not the only one.
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Post by chrislw on Mar 11, 2013 19:28:08 GMT 10
Hi Marius, have you seen Brian Finn's footage of the incident between you and John?
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Post by marius on Mar 11, 2013 19:56:20 GMT 10
Hi Chris. I haven't seen it. I'll get in touch with Brian and watch it. Irrespective of what that shows, I believe I have a point. I just expressed a concern shared by quite a few people. I have always moved over to allow the fast cars to pass. But I had 2 totally unnecessary hits in the lasts 6 months in quite similar circumstances and it didn't help when I had to take the car for repairs this morning. I'm not gonna get bankrupt but it spoils all the fun.
Thanks for the reply anyway!
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Post by chrislw on Mar 11, 2013 20:08:11 GMT 10
I will talk to Brian and ask him to post it on his YouTube channel. Then everyone can view this and post their opinion, as you requested. No-one likes to see unnecessary contact that results in car damage. Hopefully your post will initiate the necessary discussion. Did you register your complaint with the stewards of the meeting or with Adrian? Did you and John discuss the incident on the day?
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Post by marius on Mar 11, 2013 20:35:05 GMT 10
I don't have any intention to raise a complaint, it never occured to me, and I couldn't talk to John because I was too busy trying to patch up the car.
I did not raise this to start a polemic, but some friendly discussions would only help. I believe there is a bunch of very good people in this series.
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Post by marius on Mar 11, 2013 20:40:54 GMT 10
And, by the way, I don't have any ill feelings towards John in case somebody thinks that (he's bigger than me).
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Post by chrislw on Mar 12, 2013 22:14:20 GMT 10
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Post by marius on Mar 13, 2013 5:33:35 GMT 10
Thanks Brian and Chris.
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Post by doug34 on Mar 13, 2013 6:49:50 GMT 10
Marius is looking for an opinion on this incident , so at the risk of an opinion based only on the footage , I clearly see this as a great example of what occurs between a faster driver in the series coming up on a driver with a slower car,unfortunately I can only see big john in the wrong position. Let me explain why , this is lap one,, Marius is still in the thick of it. He is racing , with cars bunched up in front. , and with no obligation to give ground to give room to big John who muffed the start ,, five laps later Marius may have chosen to give the corner up , simply to let thru a faster car , but at this stage , he is eyes forward and trying to beat cars immediately in front ... This wasn't johns corner , if it was v8s. Drive thru for John ...
Remember this is a forum , this is only my opinion , others will differ , but it is a classic example of a recurring incident. We have all been to varying degrees in the same position , not just big john and Marius , good healthy discussion will help
Keep posting.doug
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Post by lj47 on Mar 13, 2013 11:56:31 GMT 10
Hi Guys firstly Marius apologies it was never my intention to make contact with you and I do take yours and the other competitors concerns quite seriously as damaged cars are no good for anyone. I also have in car footage of the incident which I will post for review.
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Post by lj47 on Mar 13, 2013 15:22:24 GMT 10
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Post by marius on Mar 13, 2013 17:36:55 GMT 10
John,
No problem at all! As I said before, I have no hard feelings whatsoever. I sweared at you for about 2 hours when I was working on the car and sweating like never before in my life, but there was some positive in that too.
Doug,
Were you in the car with me? You just spoke my mind! Thanks for the reply.
I brought this up because I believe some clarification is needed. From where I sit in the pack, I have seen countless incidents like this. We keep talking about all sorts of tricks to make the cars a few tenths faster but nothing about actual driving. We're in this for the pleasure of driving not engineering challenges.
Things I'd like to understand include:
-how much can you wave across the track
-when can you "close the door"
-what constitute dangerous driving
-how much room you're supposed to give to passed/passing cars
Plenty more to say here.
About the positives I mentioned above, I am grateful to the people around who helped me to fix the car (and convinced me not to go home) - Cam and Andy Beller, Dick, John Goddard, Tony.
I believe this is what makes it a good series.
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Post by chrislw on Mar 14, 2013 7:23:22 GMT 10
Marius,
I have three questions:-
Why did you drove down the inside line between turns 10 and 11 on lap 1 knowing a car 3 seconds per lap faster was behind you?
Why did you turn into turn 12 early on lap 1 knowing a car 3 seconds per lap faster was behind you, rather than take the normal line?
Why did you keep your foot on the accelerator and turn a small tap on the rear quarter panel into serious damage by you driving into the barrier?
Chris
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Post by doug34 on Mar 14, 2013 10:06:16 GMT 10
Chris. I think you have raised some very good questions here , in that they reflect an attitude to what Marius is trying to determine ,,,what is appropriate behaviour for competitors in our race ,, and particularly. In the opening laps,, 1 is it appropriate for the car in front to cover another driver into a corner , or is he just expected to race on the racing line and allow for the inside passing manoeuvres to occur  2. If it is appropriate to do so. How often can he do this before it is deemed poor sportsmanship ?. I have no doubt that the footage on both John and Brian's. shows clearly that Marius has positioned himself to avoid being passed , I think how often a slower car can do this is really the question.however, Surely we can't expect the field to part like the Red Sea just because the fastest car is at the back and wants to get the front ASAP , in his rightful position, that would be a bit much. Wouldn't it chris? |
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Post by doug34 on Mar 14, 2013 10:19:13 GMT 10
And forgot to add ,, the issue for Marius maybe choosing to keep his foot in and try to recover , and then hitting the wall. , ,,,probably in reflection not a good choice,, and possibly could have far reduced damage by another coarse of action , however this is really inconsequential to the issue of what's we are trying to clarify , which is acceptable on track behaviour , as a racing class
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