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Post by doug34 on Jun 4, 2013 19:46:58 GMT 10
Great discussion on a topic that is obviously close to the hearts of many ,, will we have enough cars on the grid to keep it to ourselves. . Or will we just become a amalgamated group running with another,, the answer is probably obvious , if we don't get mere 944 out there then we will be grouped. ,,, and then what....  . I don't believe that we need or should go backwards ,, we just need to cater for those who have. Left the series , parked the car and need a little push to get that car and body on the grid again There is no smarter way than as suggested , a two tier series with restrictions on less com petive cars to keep costs down All the restrictions suggested by Brian are visually obvious and manageable and will restrict costs and create a competitive group if managed You can have three awards. Elite. Clubman. And overall and at each meeting as well to promote interest With correct promotion those 12 or 14 cars sitting would be raced or sold , it just needs to be done the right way This would not effect current race drivers. You just make a choice at the start of the season let me give you an example John Goddard , his car is currently specked for clubman ie no data logging no blade bar at front min weight 1150 will only use 3 sets of tyres for the year , simply his car is this probably now John races all year and finishes first every round in clubman and fifth every round in elite ,, he is clubman champ for the year and also. Fifth overall champion for 944 ,,,he hasn't been handicapped but rewarded and recognised for his efforts in a car that is not outrightly competitive with others in the field (Hope you don't mind me using you johnny) Anyway lets keep exploring. , but at this stage I'm all for it and. Yes there would be bugs to iron out , but shit is pisses me off to know there are lots of cars sitting , not being used and we are sitting and whinging about grid numbers with our hands up our arse, my god. Who does this penalise. Answer. ,, no one at all |
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Post by rmillar on Jun 4, 2013 22:41:22 GMT 10
hey chaps,although im really happy to be just having a run around at the rear of the field, i feel maybe a pro and elite class would be a great idea. After all its all about having fun out there and a little competitive and promoting our great little series so i say whatever it takes,cant hurt.Bring it on. cheers Rossco
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Post by pd80 on Jun 5, 2013 9:28:31 GMT 10
Gentlemen, I have been in the series since it's inception and the main reason for the series in the beginning was to provide competitive, reliable and cost effective motor sport. I am your classic budget racer on a limited budget. Leave it alone we do not need two classes in a one make series. This will drive more people away rather than attract, we should adopt more control. Ie. limit tyres, introduce weight penalties these are just a couple of low cost idea's. One more thing, folks drop out of the series for a variety of reasons and I thing the number one reason is MONEY! If the disposable income is not available then you cannot race. Simple.
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Post by doug34 on Jun 5, 2013 10:54:53 GMT 10
Peter can you expand on the weight penalties would mean
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Post by chrislw on Jun 5, 2013 17:04:05 GMT 10
Firstly, Brian, thanks for actually crunching the numbers and providing the facts to the opinions.
Our first priority needs to be the identification of the location of every 944 challenge car in the country.
Next - we ask them why they are not racing. If they all respond that they cannot afford any form of racing at the moment - then creating another class is a waste of time and effort.
We seem to have enough trouble enforcing the rules we have - do we really want to create a second set to be enforced. And who is going to enforce them and at what cost? Who is doing to police how many tyres a competitor has used in a season?
We all talk about "affordable" racing . . . does anybody actually know what other forms of motorsport cost? E30, HQ, Saloons? What if we are already the cheapest class out there?
I am not a mechanic or an engineer - but what i did was found someone who KNEW how to engineer a racecar to go fast - it was then my job to drive it. If we have people in the field struggling with set up ASK someone . . . . and I wouldnt ask the person running 15th . . . . . .
We have a sales and marketing challenge - NOT - a rules and class creation issue. If we were more social - if we gave away prices for competing - not just winning - if we had parts and spares on site to assist other competitors - would that not be something that racers would find some money to be involved in??
I know I do - twice a week - for three hours - I do whatever I have to do to get the money so I can race . . . . . .
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Post by brianf on Jun 5, 2013 19:28:33 GMT 10
Chris, excellent, love your work.
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Post by cameronbeller on Jun 5, 2013 19:48:58 GMT 10
Hi guys, firstly let me say that this is a fantastic series to be involved in. Great guys and great racing. But remember we are all racing for fun, there is no prize money for first place. that being said i want to make a few comments on where the series is heading. firstly, dividing the series into two separate classes has both good and bad points. i believe that majority of the cars running are similar spec, with some small differences on performance. therefore i would leave it as it is. What needs to be addressed is rules rather than dividing the class. the rules on clutch assemblies is too vague and needs to be clarified. i believe to keep costs down and be even, we should all be running a single plate system with a standard diameter and minimum weight of 10.2kg. the problem is, as a series it is hard to keep the cost down because to go racing there is a minimum amount that needs to be spent regardless of car spec. Entry fee, accommodation, petrol are all costs that have no effect by changing any rules. This is the reason that grid number are dropping as Peter said its all about money. There are rules that when enforced, will even out all the cars and reduce running costs, like limiting number of new tyres per season. although this may increase tyre prices. also rolling back the rules will even out the class more, because there is less costly modifications needed to be competitive. in terms of data logging, it has no effect on car performance and therefore should be allowed. we all know motor racing is not a cheap sport and if we can find ways to reduce cost to compete, I’m all for it. Cheers Cameron
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Post by doug34 on Jun 5, 2013 21:53:24 GMT 10
Great to hear different views on this topic ,, there is a variety of ideas and opinions , and that in itself is healthy for the comp.
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 6, 2013 16:54:56 GMT 10
Chris, What DO you do, twice-a-week , three-hours-at-a-time, to get money to go motor racing ? It is legal isn`t it?
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Post by doug34 on Jun 6, 2013 19:02:52 GMT 10
No johnny it's not legal. Clw sells secondhandcars for 6 hours.!!!!!!!! Just joking. Johnny
Cam ,,regarding the ruling on clutches as it stands. We currently race under the 2 b sports cars specs. , which allows freedom on clutches ie single plate clutches are legal, we (under our regs) can only restrict their regulations ,,,,which we have by minimum weight of 10.2 and the components that are used to calculate that weight , so as long as a single plate meets the minimum weight ,,then it is legal. ,, hope this may clarify the rule
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Post by cameronbeller on Jun 6, 2013 19:23:43 GMT 10
Doug, I think you are referring to a multi plate clutch system not a single system as per standard fitment
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Post by doug34 on Jun 6, 2013 19:35:32 GMT 10
Sorry had three vinos yes you are correct. Cheers
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Post by chrislw on Jun 6, 2013 22:58:11 GMT 10
JG - I do what i have to do . . . . . . I'll admit I have done some pretty low things in my time, but, I believe I am providing a service, doesn't matter how old, large or ugly . . . . . there is a need - and I do my best to fulfill it . . . . . . .
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 7, 2013 10:21:14 GMT 10
Regarding affordability, I would think we are probably one of the most affordable class`s, if not THE most affordable class in Aussie motor sport, the suggestions l have been making are aimed at keeping it that way. I can`t see how we can make a 2 tier system work in a 1 Make,1 Model, 1 Engine, class. CLW is correct when he says we need to sell the series to potential new-comers, but before we can really attempt to sell/market our series l think we need to sort this issue. (Keep up the comments) Regards J.G.
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Post by thedog1 on Jun 7, 2013 15:55:12 GMT 10
Hi Guys. A great robust discussion, it shows that the competitors care about the series and the retained value of their racing assets. Experiance is a good teacher and my experiance tells me that a 2 tier class would be the "beginning of the end" of something we created as a one make ,controlled class where the driver is major variable factor.....isn't that the reason that we all signed up to this series!!!! DOK
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