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Post by doug34 on Jun 8, 2013 7:18:45 GMT 10
Dennis. You could be very well correct,,
but I believe that it is a 2 tier class already,the cars that have. And the cars that have not,,, and by recognising and embracing the fact may well be better than continually believing that all cars out there have been created equal , and that only the driver is the difference,, which can be misleading to newcomers
I do understand the one make one class theory , and that anything that is altered could end up hurting and not helping , but i does need to be investigated a little deeper before thrown away as a silly idea . Cheers doug
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Post by brianf on Jun 8, 2013 9:28:03 GMT 10
How about taking a look at what can be done to the biggest cost we face, engine build/rebuild. I'm only going off what I have been told but I understand there are major components such as rods and pistons where we use genuine Porsche parts and they are expensive.
Couldn't we specify an aftermarket alternative. To avoid problems the alternative would need to specific.
EG Piston can be genuine Porsche or Brand XXX, Part No. XXX
etc etc
Someone with the knowledge would need to do the sums to see if its viable.
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 8, 2013 12:55:23 GMT 10
Funny you should say that O Great White Wise One, l was having a few frothy`s with the boy`s last night ( all either current or past racers) and mentioned our current topic of conversation. They mostly seemed to agree with your view regarding "the begining of the end". Me, I`m not that pessamistic, I`m confident we will sort this out, but it was interesting to hear the views of some people who have many years experience in a number of different catagorys. Perhaps experience is a good teacher. J.G.
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Post by brianf on Jun 8, 2013 20:06:53 GMT 10
Hi John, did any of your mates give any insight or examples of when it has been a problem?
Just trying to understand.
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 9, 2013 12:23:23 GMT 10
Morning Brian, the E30`s were mentioned , and as it turns out, Dennis and l were talking to Michael Stillwell at Rennsport and he said the constant rule changes sure hasn`t helped them. The Friday night crew sighted the sucsesful series like Formula Ford, F.Vee and the HQ`s as good example`s of well managed catergory`s that have stood the "test of time". These are just opinions, and none of the guy`s are currently running 944`s although Bazza Rowe & Brian Johns did in the past. It up to us to make the rules, but it`s interresting to see what it looks like from the "outside looking in" Regards JG
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Post by smith99 on Jun 10, 2013 16:09:29 GMT 10
John you should have asked them why they left the series! and how long ago where they in it.
i have been talking to people about other classes the formula vees have about 60 kw power costs some people a lot to get the extra 1 or 2kws, hqs have had some competitors spending a lot trying to get the edge.Formula ford is way above our budgets and note they have the old and the newer cars in there series
ps raced richard muscat senior and jnr at phillip island Kart track yesterday oth of them quicker than me, like i said a lot of the time difference is controlled by the bloke behind the wheel and the amount of time spent practicing.
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 10, 2013 21:54:56 GMT 10
Hi Graham, both Baz & Brian left the series 06/07ish following accidents, Baz at Calder in the 944 and Brian in his Formula Ford at Sandown.(You have to remember, were all old farts now and we don`t bounce as well as we used to) With regard to F/Vee & HQ`s I`m pretty sure competitors can spend as much as they like in either catergory as long as it is with-in the rules, the rules that have bearley changed at all since both series started. You are correct, their are 2 classes in F/Ford, F/F Kent & F/F Zetec. About 10 years ago The Ford Motor Co. decided that if they were going to continue to support F/Ford they wanted them to up-date to a more relevent Ford engine, the Kent engine being long past it`s use-by date.(About 1975 in this country) When l raced F/F you even had to buy your cam shaft off the F/Ford Association. Just a bit of trivia, Formula Ford started in the U.K. in 1967 as a low cost alternative to Formula Junior. The first Formula Ford race in Australia was held at Sandown in 1968. (See what happens when you get me started!) Regards JG.
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Post by mtaubitz on Jun 11, 2013 17:41:36 GMT 10
Hi all
I've been reading some of the discussions on this subject and the good news (Maybe?!) - at least there will be one car with the mothballs blown off it turning up at Winton everything going well! I am obviously new to the series so look out for me with the P plates at the back and wave when you pass me!
I am aware of another car whichhopefully will be hitting the track again at some point- the ex Glen Campbell #48 was sold (co-incidentally, by someone I had dealt with in business a few years ago and I bumped into in the Winton pits earlier in the year - and we thus shared stories of our new purchase) and will hopefully see him on track soon also.
One suggestion I noticed mentioned earlier by Peter was the idea of weight (think of the term success ballast not weight penalty!)
The Biante TCM cars use this to stop anyone from just racing off and (hopefully) keeping some racing at the front of the field. Obviously there are all sorts of different cars with different strengths and weaknesses in that category as opposed to this one make series - but the general idea whch could be downsized to suit if that was decided as worthy.
Something whereby the winner carries 15kg into the next race, 2nd carries 10kg and 3rd 5kg - nothing too over the top. And then if the same car wins the same is added but is maxed out at say 25-30kg - and if 10kg drop off every race the car finishes outside the top 3. This can obviously be tweaked further and maybe only implemented after 2-3 top 3 finishes rather than penalise a mid fielder who gets themselves into the top 3 first time - I think that is the basic idea behind how it works in a nutshell but I'm sure there is more to it than what I have summarised!
On a side note - was nice to meet a couple more of the drivers at my licence test who came over to introduce themselves to say g'day! Look forward and can't wait to get onto the track with you all! On that note - as far as entering races go - is it an automatic system for entry form applications to be sent out for submission prior to each round - if there is something I need to do, can someone point me in the right direction to get that organising please?
Cheers!
Mark Taubitz
#74
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Post by doug34 on Jun 11, 2013 18:30:53 GMT 10
Mark. Great to have a new starter ,
If you haven't already entered winton then simply go to winton raceway website and download the entry form , generally you will have to print then post , however I think it can be done on line for winton events ,,
For other events ,, unless you have don the whole season , you will have to source the entry by looking at the pi or sandown website for direction to get an entry , they sometimes will direct you to the car club that is hosting the event , and then your will find the form on that site. Most times it will be a post with credit details or cheque .. Be aware that confirmation of entry is tickets and gate posted back etc in the mail , so if you don't get them within a week of the event , it pays to give the organisers a call. To confirm they got your entry, if you need help at all give me a call 0438691116. Doug
Ps. With winton not all will choice to get a garage some racers will just pit in the areas behind. , works ok as long as there's no rain , , if you choice to get a garage or carport. Ask to be with 944 area
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Post by doug34 on Jun 11, 2013 18:37:32 GMT 10
Ps. Forgot to mention that Peter , has been keeping members aware also , by emailing the next event and the site to go to ,I'm pretty sure it's for all the events. , am I correct with this Peter...  ? And maybe other members may be able to add to this , I do remember that sometimes entering and getting things done at the track was harder than racing , so when you get to winton ,make sure to ask , what has to be done. And when. ,, more that happy to help out |
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Post by mtaubitz on Jun 11, 2013 18:39:12 GMT 10
Thanks heaps Doug - hugely appreciated - I'll get onto that ASAP!!
Cheers!!!
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Post by brianf on Jun 11, 2013 18:43:07 GMT 10
Hi Mark,
welcome to the series, as you have read we want to find a way to get all of the retired 944s back onto the track. It really is a great series and a top bunch of guys.
Peter is the Secretary and will usually let everyone know by email that entry forms are available for an upcoming round. This is typically 4-6 weeks before the event.
It's important to get entries in early as the organisers can group us with another category if our numbers are low. The decision to group us will usually occur 1-2 weeks prior to the event.
I look forward to meeting you at Winton.
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Post by johngoddard on Jun 12, 2013 12:15:29 GMT 10
Welcome to 944 racing Mark, you`l love it! Great group of guy`s, great racing. Can`t make Winton (Have to teach my kids not to have there kids Christened on race week-end`s) but look forward to meeting you at Sandown. By the way, who`s car did you buy? Regards John Goddard
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Post by lj47 on Jun 12, 2013 18:57:41 GMT 10
Welcome Mark to 944,s saw you on track at Sandown doing your OLT love seeing 944's back on a race track look forward to meeting you at Winton.
Regards LJ
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Post by mtaubitz on Jul 3, 2013 21:50:43 GMT 10
Sorry for belated reply - well I am all entered and look forward to meeting those I haven't already and getting out onto the track!
I bought my car from Wayne Mercer - who is now racing in the TCM series. It ran as number #28 with it's last few races and still had that number on when I bought it.
Had a couple of issues at Sandown for my OLT with fuel pressure which I hope we have sorted out now - time will tell!
See you guys this weekend!
Cheers
Mark Taubitz #74
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? And maybe other members may be able to add to this , I do remember that sometimes entering and getting things done at the track was harder than racing , so when you get to winton ,make sure to ask , what has to be done. And when. ,, more that happy to help out